U.S.A. –-(Ammoland.com)- Beginning Monday, July 1, the world will change for Washington State gun owners and prospective gun buyers as the full impact of provisions contained in Initiative 1639 take effect.

Take a look at the above photo of a Ruger 10/22, quite possibly the most popular .22-caliber semi-auto sporting rifle in the country due to price, inherent accuracy and efficient design. Starting Monday, this handy small game and recreational shooting tool, used by countless young adults and younger school-age hunters and shooters, will be considered a “semiautomatic assault rifle” under the definition contained in I-1639. Don't think so? Here is the language from the initiative:

“‘Semiautomatic assault rifle’ means any rifle which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.”—Initiative 1639

This is the definition of a rifle that Spokane County Sheriff Ozzie Knezovich earlier this year told reporters doesn’t really exist. Except on paper. He suspects the reason for including this definition was to allow gun banners something to go after in a future initiative, to ban them all.

The definition literally encompasses every semiautomatic rifle that has ever been manufactured anywhere, capable of firing metallic cartridges.

There is a ten-day waiting period for a semi-auto rifle to conduct an “enhanced background check.”

And the initiative also removed a requirement that the Department of Fish and Wildlife’s pamphlet on the legal limits of the use of firearms and firearms safety include a notification that local laws and ordinances are preempted by state law and must be consistent with state law.

Why would the sponsors of this gun control initiative not want people to know about the state’s 35-year-old preemption statute that has prohibited the creation of a patchwork of conflicting or confusing local ordinances and regulations? The suspicion is that the billionaire-backed gun prohibition lobby based in Seattle will sponsor another initiative, perhaps as soon as next year, to repeal state preemption.

Here’s what many gun owners think is a trap: While the initiative mandates so-called “secure storage,” Line 6 in Section 5 says this: “Nothing in this section mandates how or where a firearm must be stored.” So, there is a “non-mandate mandate.”

Passage of the initiative last November has already outlawed the sale of so-called “semiautomatic assault rifles” including .22-caliber sporters to anyone under age 21. Sheriffs in several counties, and a half-dozen county commissions, have taken action or announced that provisions of this new law will not be enforced.

The Second Amendment Foundation and National Rifle Association are challenging provisions of this initiative in federal court. In May, U.S. District Court Judge Ronald B. Leighton denied a motion by the defendants to dismiss the lawsuit. His ruling may be read here.

SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb noted in a news release, “The important aspects of the motion to dismiss have been denied. Just as important, the judge’s ruling treats the Second Amendment as any other fundamental individual right that is constitutionally protected…And now the state, and the initiative proponents, are on the defensive.”

On top of all of this I-1639 red tape, beginning Monday Evergreen State handgun purchases will no longer be routed through the FBI’s National Instant Check System (NICS) but become the responsibility of local law enforcement. Part of that change will directly impact the 615,000 concealed pistol license holders.For the past two decades, CPL holders in Washington could take same-day-delivery of handguns because of their active license. Not anymore. They will now be subject to the same 10-day waiting period for a handgun now endured by a non-licensed citizen.

Will this NICS change, combined with the waiting period on “semi-auto rifles” put the Washington Arms Collectors and other gun show promoters out of business?

Contact your local state legislator and insist that the state create a “point of contact” source to do background checks—likely the Washington State Patrol—and provide ample funding from the state general fund to operate the system, since background checks on law-abiding citizens somehow contributes to public safety.

As members of Congress return to their districts for summer recess, encourage them to “encourage” the FBI to resume NICS handgun checks, with same-day clearance for CPL holders, until the state can establish its own “point of contact” and if they balk at the idea, ask why. And remember their interest and enthusiasm, or lack thereof, in November 2020.

Gun owners should also confirm that they are registered to vote at their current address. Find out if there are any “Town Hall” meetings scheduled by your member of Congress and plan to attend with questions about Second Amendment rights, NICS and related topics.

Dave Workman is a senior editor at TheGunMag.com and Liberty Park Press, author of multiple books on the Right to Keep & Bear Arms and formerly an NRA-certified firearms instructor.

I forgot to also say, Do Not fall into the corrupt system, if you want to keep your guns and ammo, don’t post how much guns and ammo you have or can get or show your self with firearms bragging, because next thing you know they will be busting down your door and taking everything you own and who knows what other BS they come up with. Protect your self.

@MJC USN (ret.) Silence is golden. Thanks for your bringing our vehicles over for us. Mucho appreciado!

As a 22yr retired Gulf war vet and a home breed Washington native, I came home to a state that is TOTALLY AFU! We need to get more Republicans voted into office and I’ll bet if we could get an audit done on ALL the state democrats we would find a lot of BS Why do they have to keep adding more taxes and it seems like nothing is getting done on time and on budget. We don’t need more laws, and I didn’t spend 22 yrs of my life for them to disregard the CONSTITUTION and our 2ND Amendment rights. I think more Government employs NEED to READ the oath that they swore to protect.

Give wa to california then build the wall on up the eastern border of cal up to Canada and send all the criminals there with no protection.

What the hell happened? We allowed it to. We the people. Keep us divided and they can concur us. I live in Eastern WA were our representative won’t even come to a town-hall meeting unless you are on her invited list. Moved back here from FL after a mouse, or should I say rat, pissed all over the state. Now we got Tech-Know-Nothings and big business moving in to run everything as they see fit. Amazon is finishing the touches on there mega distribution facility here. Thanks to Citizens United, Gerry Meandering and the Electoral College, they have the cards stacked against the American Citizens. I voted against I-1639 when it reared it’s ugly head at me. Unbelievable, I didn’t finish high school, but I saw how, a well organized group, could manipulate the wording of a document to get people to vote for something they would have never voted for, had the simple truth been put in laymen terms. Well I for one have paid my fair share of government taxes and undue costs, because these people just love to spend and spend and spend. Tell you what. Instead of spending money on some state sponsored training programs. That I acquired decades ago and waiting 10 days to buy a rifle. I’ll take my skills, get a jig, put my router to work and make my own rifle, which is very legal and has a tremendous amount of pride built in. I’ll have to shop around and use the suppliers who don’t charge WA state tax, I will make sure this state does not get a single dime for the cost of acquiring my new rifle and I won’t have any waiting period. PERIOD!

I agree we should have banned together to stop this crap,, unfortunately most of us work so it’s to late by the time we hear of it!!nice to know some law inforcement still have some common sense I live in Florida which is still a free state but I’m afraid it won’t be long before the crazys get there way.! Squeaky wheel gets the oil !!!

“Shall Not be Infringed “….. Period… They are pushing for a civil war that they cannot win. To peck a fight that will allow them to invite “foreign” governments onto Sovereign Soil to persecute You and your family. It will happen, and you will not believe it. Better stay real, and awake, and clever fellow patriots ….. Stay quiet, stay prepared and keep your enemies closer….

Wow, l came back to see if my moderated comment posted. Yeah, and some piece of filth replied. You didn’t hurt my feelings! There’s a real un-civil war right here on these threads. Just some unreal hate out there that the sad part. Well, good luck everyone!

@Ammoland …What is wrong with the question I ask ? I didn’t even call anyone a name or tell them they were stupid !

“That’s the proverbial $64 question.” Um, not to sound critical, but it’s $64,000 question. From Wikipedia: The $64,000 Question was an American game show broadcast from 1955 to 1958, which became embroiled in the 1950s quiz show scandals. Contestants answered general knowledge questions, earning money which doubled as the questions became more difficult. The final question had a top prize of $64,000, hence the “$64,000 Question” in the show’s title.

Scotty, Yes, I knew that when I wrote it. The “$64 question” reference probably pre-dates you. It alludes to a question about something that is monumentally stupid, therefore it’s hardly worth $64K. Anyway, thanks for reading and being big on trivia. Stay safe, drive careful!

Well, I had some jerk stalking me. I purchased a 9mm semi auto pistol. Approved in 1 day. Concealed weapon permit immediately mailed to me in two days. Finger prints on file, check, no record, check. Advised said stalker that I was packing and to leave me alone. Never saw said stalker ever again. Now as a responsible educated woman with previous police training which included gun safety, for someone to sit there and tell me I have to take a class, pay another tax, wait 10 days or more for a defense weapon while being threatened by a stalker? That should be against the law. WTF is wrong with you people? I think we should all move to Arizona, life is so much simpler there. I am tired of being taxed to death here, paying for a system that doesn’t work and highways that are the worst in the lower 48. This state does need an enema, for sure .

They want to take over the background checks to deny them, or at least slow them down. Also charge more money. I doubt the “enhanced” background check really will be. After all if they stopped some crazy that would rob them of another excuse for more gun bans.

I also would love to move to Arizona with you! (already have their CWP, tho I wouldn’t even need it there if I make the move!)…Chicago has done to Illinois, what Seattle has done to Washington (overpriced fees, Carte Blanche treatment to criminals at law-abiding citizens’ expense, etc)…where one city is ruining an entire state.

That is why I wish we had the electoral college for state voting, give or take 3 areas control wa state.

It IS against the law ; U.S. Constitution – 2nd Amendment (and others), the various state constitutions and laws, etc.)

Please come here to Arizona! We love Freedom here. You want to carry a gun concealed. Go ahead. If you can own a gun legally then you can carry concealed here with NO CCW. Even if you don’t live in Arizona you can carry concealed. If you do want a CCW then you can get one here as well. My wife and I both have one. If you have a CCW you don’t have to pay for a background check. Wait periods? What are those? Oh those are what we call a Delay of Rights. A Right Delayed is a Right Denied (President Lincoln). If you want to carry a gun on your side exposed, go ahead. We don’t care. It’s legal. The wife and I hike and always carry a gun on our hip. We LOVE people who believe in their Constitutional Rights. We also LOVE people who vote to protect those Rights. That means you NEVER VOTE DEMOCRAT. They have lost their minds! Stalin was a “Democrat Socialist”. He murdered more than 20 Million of his fellow Russians. Thats where we are headed unless we start protecting our 2nd Amendment Right. God Bless, Carry a Gun and stay safe my friends.

If you take a martial arts class , do your hands and feet become fully automatic ? Will you be required to bay a license after a ten day waiting period ?? Will you have to keep them locked when you are not out assaulting someone ?

If you take a martial arts class do your hands and fee become fully automatic assault weapons ? Do you have to buy a license fore them and do you have to keep them locked up when you are not out assaulting someone?

Question …How long will it be before some Jackwagon decides you have to have a license to take a martial arts class ? Then after a ten day cooling off period make you purchase a license for your hands and feet ? Will you have to keep them locked up when you are not out assaulting someone??

Question …How long will it be before some Jackwagon decides you have to have a license to take a martial arts class ? Then after a ten day cooling off period make you purchase a license for your hands and feet ? Will you have to keep them locked up when you are not out assaulting someone??

Gee Whiz being moderated again , ask a question and get moderated…Google must be really getting paranoid !!

if you have purchased a gun in California from 2014 till present you are on the registry , and when you do your background check to buy your ammo at your dealership that background check will cost you an extra dollar on your purchase , if you have purchased a gun before 2014 you will still go through the background check but it will cost you 20 dollars plus the cost of your ammo……………that’s why I have purchased another handgun here in cali last week and pick it up on Monday the 1st of July ….

I’ve been stacking for years in anticipation of this day, even though AB 63 (the bill that ended up being this stupid law) wasn’t even on the horizon then. I have so much ammo now, it would make a Leftie shite his/her/its pants if he/she/it saw just a portion of it.

Lawsuits have been filed to overturn this unconstitutional law, but they typically take years to complete, so my stockpile will last until (1) the law is enjoined and nullified or (2) I finally leave CA.

If you’re a Californian and haven’t been stacking, it’s your own fault for being caught unprepared.

Welcome to the Communist coastal city of Seattle, legal to shoot up with Heroine on the street, live in a tent in the middle of the city, fill the city with trash, be in a gang and commit crimes and shoot innocent people, be a sanctuary city were no one speaks English anymore, pay more taxes than an other state to watch everything our public officials do fail and be penalized for being a legal citizen and wanting to own a gun. People in other states need to pay attention and dont let these people from the coastal cities move to your state and screw your state up and yes they will because they are to stupid to know why the left the state they came from.

PLEASE KEEP in mind. The goal of the NEW WORLD ORDER. Is to destroy all countries along with their constitutions…That is the purpose of the UN. Remember Blue Helmets are targets.

I feel like they are flooding into Florida now so as to change the political make up of this state. Northern liberals are in fact, ruining our state. Our new Governor just signed an anti-sanctuary bill though and looking to him to correct the awful “red flag law” enacted last year.

John, I 100% agrees with you, BUT guess what? when I told people here in Chicago (who’s excited about how this new governor’s making weed legal) how it is in places like Seattle and Portland, NOBODY had a clue those cities was like that…I showed them youtube videos of Seattle/Portland (while covering the titile), and they thought that was Venezuela!!…I was like, ‘nope, this is the West Coast U.S. cities, and the future Midwest cities if these people move out here and start taking over.’

Meanwhile, here in Virginia, our corruptocrat governor Ralph “Blackface” Northam has called a special session of the General Assembly for July 9 to try to push through all of his anti-gun initiatives that got killed in committee during the regular session of the GA, and doing so hard on the heels of the mass shooting in Virginia Beach recently. He’s not fooling anyone with this; he’s just trying to salvage what’s left of his dying political career. The two worst things he’s after is re-instatement of Virginia’s “one handgun per month” sales limit, and re-instatement of our strong pre-emption law that wiped out the confusing crazy-quilt of local gun laws and ordinances that existed until 2004 when the pre-emption law was enacted. Virginia corruptocrats are working over-time to try to turn our great, beautiful and still mostly free state into another sewer of anti-gun laws, bureaucratic harassment and increasing crime like New Jersey, New York, Chicago and Massachusetts.

The FakeNews Media is Hiding the alleged Vigrina Beach assailant Dewayne Chaddock is Not Only Black. But a Union Government Worker Democrat and Obama Supporter. I also hear on the Interweb that he was Muslim also.

This reminds me of prohibition didn’t that work well,the black market will flourish with unregistered pistol and rifle sales! They have forgotten history and created a monster!

Can someone please explain what a “waiting period” really does for anyone’s safety? If the person making the purchase already owns firearms, then what difference does it make to force a delay before receiving a new one?

I already own maybe 10 firearms… making me wait a few days more for a new one is an inconvenience to me and certainly is not going to make anyone safer if I have bad intentions.

Well, say a woman who is separated from her abusive husband wants to buy a firearm for self-defense. Of course she has already applied for a protection order and possibly a “red flag” order has taken away, in theory, her estranged husband’s firearms. Said husband had bought a handgun at a gun show or illegally bought one off the black market. Or is just bigger, stronger, and more offensive than his wife. Alternatively, he could have a knife or a baseball bat, or a tree limb, or a tire iron. He ambushes her and kills her while she is waiting for permission from a faceless bureaucrat to buy a firearm. She ends of dead. Her husband ends up serving 10-20 years, parole in 3 years, with three hots and a cot, plus free medical, drug treatment, and education. He releases gets married and the process starts over. Courtesy, the state of liberal/progressive “we know better than you” “make the world a utopia in our image” “we don’t need God” we are perfect society.

What is so amazing is that the feminists put up with this shit. One would think they would want to empower women, especially, abused women. I suppose they are not as independent as they claim except they don’t want to protect themselves or have a husband/boyfriend/relative do it. No they want protection by the government, even the same government that prevents them from buying a firearm for self defense. Not logical. Another stereotype. Helpless women. Ladies, I would be very pissed off. I would also get some self-empowerment. Any woman has the power and the duty of self defense. Get off you lazy asses and do it. Big Sugar Daddy Government wont.

California was one of the first states to impose a 10 day waiting or cooling off period. Evidently these politicians and bureaucrats came up with this in an effort to slow down the gun purchase under the guise of the old paper background check. Now that DOJ databases provide instant results, I have recently discovered that once an inquiry is made, a gun buyer is approved or disproved in the system on the spot, however this is not revealed to the buyer. Instead the buyer is kept in suspense until he waits out the clock. Now the 10 waiting period is still in place just in case the buyer should experience remorse.

The “cooling off” label on waiting periods was applied to subliminally implant the idea in the heads of the doofus, low-information, impressionable sheep that a large number of people buy guns when/because they are angry and irrational, thereby generating support from them in these issues (that NOBODY has a legitimate right or power to make in the first place).

First, they know that by putting this in place gun shows are all but dead. They are still trying to resuscitate the meme that there is a “gun show loophole”. Well, the only hole in this situation is the hole in the heads of the stupid drafters of this law, and the stupid voters who read the first paragraph of thirty pages and voted for it.

The other, they want to make owning/using guns as painful as possible, hoping fewer and fewer will bother

News flash: the more idiotic laws like these they ram through, the more normal folk will be determined to keep what we have and get more.

Remembe,r that sorry excuse of a kinyun for president is responsible for doubling the number of firearms in the hands of the general public.

Some of these comments holy sh*t. Nice to see some libtards can read tho. Now my question is why should us middle of the road (AKA common sense pary) suffer because of the actions of others? Do you know it takes 6 minutes for police to respond to most emergencies and in a shooting situation that’s a long as time. I carry a gun because i know FOR A FACT i can dispatch an armed shooter before that person can inflict servere casualties. Hell just look it up on YouTube, but oh wait you anti gunners won’t because having info that contradicts your views and opens your mind is bad. Ever hear the phrase “you could kill them with an original thought and a glass of ice water?”. So bottom line stop demonizing us for having different values

You gun nutters don’t deserve your weapons any longer. You couldn’t keep other nutters from killing kids or co workers over and over again. You say you need your guns to protect yourself from a tyrannical government. Idiots. What good is an AR again a drone armed with hellfire missiles? I will laugh my ass off every time I read you whiny female dogs complain about your so called rights. Second amendment is an AMENDMENT so was the right to keep slaves. Get rid of the guns good riddance.

It’s a warped and sick society that turns their children into “heroes” by having to respond to a threat we ourselves (specifically the NRA) have created.

NRA = America’s number one domestic terrorist organization, responsible for fighting against safe gun laws and putting military grade assault rifles in the hands of mentally deranged right wing fanatic civilians. Repeal / replace the 2nd amendment. This isn’t the year 1791!

In United States politics, the Dickey Amendment is a provision first inserted as a rider into the 1996 federal government omnibus spending bill which mandated that “none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”[1] In the same spending bill, Congress earmarked $2.6 million from the CDC’s budget, the exact amount that had previously been allocated to the agency for firearms research the previous year, for traumatic brain injury-related research.[2] The amendment was lobbied for by the NRA. The amendment is named after its author Jay Dickey, a Republican member of the United States House of Representatives from Arkansas.[2] Many commentators have described this amendment as a “ban” on gun violence research by the CDC

Gun hoarder: More than 1,000 guns seized from a home in upscale neighborhood of LAhttps://www.cnn.com/2019/05/08/us/massive-seizure-of-guns-la-trnd/index.html


My statement stands and requires no further explanation. You continue to be the problem and not the solution.

“NRA helps sheriffs fight gun laws in Second Amendment ‘sanctuaries’” … it is about time the NRA do more than fundraise. We need the NRA’s help in subverting all gun control laws that violate the Second Amendment. Thanks for providing this example so we can copy it in other states. You are helping us take back the 2A.

That is all I have time to write today as I am taking 25 ten year-olds to the range today to teach them how to shoot AR15 rifles. They are so excited . We are going to make real shooters out them.

@ywn Congrats for taking the youngsters to the range and teaching them to shoot. I don’t know what state your in but if I was there with your crew of future shooters I would be more than happy to donate a thousand rounds of rem. 223 ammo for your cause. I got taught to shoot by the best (my dad) rest his soul and other adults at the time mostly passed but these young kids you teach will live on to remember these as some of the best times of their young lives. No better place to learn than a range. Plenty of safety, plenty of respect, plenty of fun.

Concerned Citizen, You are totally ignorant and lacking facts. If you don’t want to live in a free society that has risks and responsibilities, then relocate to the police state of your choice. We don’t need whiny-assed bitches like you diluting are gene pool. The NRA, which is having problems, has helped preserve American values. Get the FUCK out of our republic. You have no clue to responsible gun ownership or how to be an American. If you don’t appreciate the freedoms and responsibilities of living in the greatest country ever on Earth you should pack up you libitard values and go.

There’s a federal ban on “gun violence” too. How does making laws affect those who ignore them?

It is GOOD that ELECTED Sheriffs help to protect the people (ALL benefit from such) from illegal and counter-productive (dare I say “progressive?!!?) laws. They are helping you to maintain your status as “citizen” instead of attaining “subject” class.

Research WAS NOT banned OR outlawed; only using the people’s money against them in PROMOTING a false narrative that, also, would be used to enslave and endanger them. The CDC has been free to track stats and trends and compile data into reports. They spent a HUGE sum of money under Obama to try and cook up a study that would support all kinds of gun control fantasies. They shelved it because it proved the OPPOSITE of what their goal was to show and ACTUALLY EXCEEDED the figures reported by Lott and Kleck (that “our side” has cited many times). BTW, the Lott/Kleck studies covered 20 years and involved collecting data from ALL 3,007 counties and ALL State, County and Municipal law enforcement agencies in the entire U.S.. I was present for two of those phone calls at the municipal and county levels in a small rural cities, so I know that they were done and were quite thorough.

The “nutters” you refer to as having shot up our schools, etc., have done so in your “holy of holys” that you are ignorantly smug about declaring to be “gun-free zones” and they have been people of your stripe — Democrats, liberal/progressive leftist loons. NO conservatives. NO Republicans. NO NRA members. NO Christians. Your “dream policies” of keeping peaceful, polite, law-abiding people that can and WOULD have made a difference, had they been there, is exactly what enables these events to occur.

No, it isn’t 1791 anymore, but the need and right are just as valid and righteous as they have ever been. You live in the relative safety that you enjoy BECAUSE evil people still have to guess as to is armed and those that are easy pickings. You are welcome, BTW, and if you do not like these facts you are free to move to leftist socialist utopias such as Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, . . . . .

I do believe that when the libtards took God out of the schools. discipline out of the school & home and decided it is ok for children to identify as whatever gender they feel they would like instead of what God made them, you caused this rash of people shooting other people for no reason. Then you add in the junk coming out of hollywood and the violent video games where people you kill can get back up to fight again (and stupid fuck*ing kids who think that is real) your problem children have become void of respect, morals and common sense. You have demonized everything and told your kids that everything & anything should make them feel butt hurt and that they have no backbone & cannot sustain a viable life without therapy if anything offends them….. Yea it was not conservative Christian law abiding gun owners who created this mess…. it was infact you and people like you.

You probably agree with the following famous quote” This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.” I’ll bet you like that don’t you? Do you know who said it? ADOLF HITLER, 1935 ! LET THAT SINK IN YOU MORON.

The only problem is that Hitler very likely never said that. This quote first surfaced back when I was an under graduate back in the 1960’s. I remember William Shirer the author of The and the Fall of the Third Reich stating that he didn’t recall Hitler saying any such thing. That also should go with the bogus Leftist quote about law and order during the same period. Even in high school when I attended back in the dark ages, I couldn’t get away with a citation like this doing a term paper. When and where in 1935 did Hitler say that? If I recall my history correctly, it was the Weimar Republic that instituted gun registration when it got wind of an attempted Nazi take over in 1931. The law abiding complied. The Nazis and the communists did not. Hitler built on that start to disarm his political enemies and the Jews. National Review did a nice article on that in December 2013.

Curious where your quote is from? I’m in the middle of reading “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” right now, and haven’t seen anything to support that. If anything Hitler did NOT want the citizens to be able to protect themselves from his SS and SA. THEY were the thugs with the power and the guns. The regular people had no way to defend themselves from the state. It only took (really less than) ONE YEAR from the time he was named chancellor to TAKE OVER Germany

I understand the sentiment you express, however most of the gun laws that Hitler decided to enforce had been on the books since WWI, I do believe. He did take it to the maximum enforcement levels though.

Hey stu pigasshole keep watching the news and believe all the Hollywood productions you see.you are the nutter to believe the media it’s all a fantasy .you are one of two things really stupid or really evil.i love hearing all of these anti gun people over and over again talking about how our children will die unless we give up our right to gun ownership. Are they the ones shooting up the schools?I hear them say Time and time again by any means necessary, think about that for a minute. We will soon be ruled by the truly mentally LGBTQ fascist psychopaths.



If you don’t want everyone here to think you’re a 15-yr-old, don’t write like one. Use correct grammar and proper sentence case. Nobody pays much attention to anyone who “yells” with all caps.

Stu Pidaso, First of all, I, and law abiding citizens, are not responsible for the actions of evil people. Second, the military is made up of fine young men and women who took an oath the the US Constitution and would protect and serve the citizens. Our military are trained to support the American people and are trained to know the difference in a lawful order and an unlawful order. They know that if they obey unlawful orders they can and will be prosecuted. Most will not follow unlawful orders, and if given them will resist and turn on the officer who gave them. “Get rid of guns good riddance.” Think of the world before firearms. Bigger, stronger, meaner people preyed on weaker people at will. If you have ever seen the victim of a knife attack or someone who was beat to death you would rethink that ignorant statement. Guns are the great equalizer. Think about the Grandmother or single mom who awakes in the middle of the night to a break-in. PS. If you want to take my guns, please try.

JohnBored, you’re absolutely correct! It took the BEATING of unarmed elderly chuch women in IL for the 7th Circuit to FINALLY wake up and tell Illinois (run by A.G. Lisa Madigan and her Speaker of the House dad Michael Madigan )’Get off your butts and stop banning carrying rights, otherwise it’s going to be a Constitutional Carry State!’

And even after all this tragedy happened, the former Gov Quinn. and Chicagoland Dumbocrats STILL wanted Dumb carry laws like in CA, NJ, MA, etc…

Stu, you dumb ass. There was no amendment to have slaves. The13th Amendment abolished slavery. I was hoping you were just ignorant, but I see you are bat shit stupid. Can’t fix stupid.. Please don’t procreate. There are too many morons in the world. Also, isolate yourself from the rest of society. Moron is catchy.

Stu Pidaso, You only have your right to speak and remove all doubt that you’re an idiot because of the 2nd Amendment. It is universally the case that all the rights included in the U.S. Bill of Rights are removed within a generation of the population being disarmed. The military is not the largest danger, Federal Administrative Agencies are the threat. Although their subjects have never been granted the same range of rights as US Citizens see UK, and Australia for examples.

@Stupid, It is not a matter of deserve. You have applied the wrong standard. Keeping others from what they decide to do is called despotism. I do need my firearms to protect myself from government, thieves, and libtards. Drone missions even w/o the Hellfire is too expensive to utilize on farmers and ranchers. The SHF will happen in the cities first, city boy. “Idiots” is not a sentence. Your Constitutional pronouncement is wrong. Get rid of Stupid aso.

@Stupitaso – cute work on the name there slick. Did you get the response you were hoping for? Enjoy stirring the pot? Well have a good time but in the end there are a couple of truths that I am sure you find bothersome; the first being no on here truly cares what you think and the second is the AMENDMENT recognizes our right, inconvenient to you or not.

Stu ?? Is that short for stupid ?? Just because you are a pantywaist little pecker head !! GUNS are not the problem, idiots like you are the problem, because if you had half a brain you would be dangerous, and if you had a Gun you would be twice as dangerous, and you would probably kill your self !! Tell me son did your mother have any children that weren’t born brain dead ??

Ah ha, approved by a “gubment certified ” agency. Can anyone guess how smoothly THAT will be run? Have any of you ever looked at the requirements placed on people who want to hunt in Europe? Its friggin ridiculous what they are put through, the classes they have to take, the certifications they have to have and the tests they have to pass and all the crap they have to prove. So, now, guess what? Only very wealthy people in Europe can afford to hunt. HUNT! Isnt that hiw it was when they had kings and queens? So you can see where this is all going cant you? Some day in the future the only people who can afford to own guns, legally, will be their people, rich people. They play a long game, a multi faceted long game because they cant stand for us lowly peasants having guns people. WAKE UP!!!! Civility, civil conversation has failed, compromise has failed, common ground has failed. The time for all that stuff has long since passed. The other side knows that we cherish law and order, being law abiding, and that’s what they’re using against us. They also hate us for it. They despise us for being that way because they are NOT. They’re the criminals, the pedophiles and rapists, the child abusers, the murderers and we aren’t and they are hoping to make us criminals too. Well, our choice is clear I think. Otherwise we are going to loose the one thing that truly matters to them, that truly scares them, our means. Actually there are two things about us they hate, our means against them and our voice. We’ve all but lost the latter so we had better decide right now if we are willing to fully surrender and loose the former. Just remember, we will only be criminals in their eyes, and according to their illegal laws, we will be right.

What needs to happen, is lazy republicans an independents need to get off their asses an vote. You can say Seattle controls the vote, but that is BS. I know there are more than one million an a half people to vote. That is all the gop got at the last governor race. Look it up. If you don’t vote this is what you get so don’t be whining if you’re one that doesn’t vote.

While I agree with some of the changes some do go too far. When I think of a semi automatic gun I think more along the lines of guns that spit out bullets continuously for minutes. Not ones used mostly for hunting and sport. As for gun safety why not ? If you are going to own a gun especially if you are younger you should know how to handle it properly. Waiting periods and good background checks what is the hurry ?. If it keeps a gun out of the hands of someone with mental issues or a record of violence.. This bill needs to be rewritten but some parts kept..

When you have 3 armed home Invaders coming through the door to rob you and rape your daughter, you’re going to want as many bullets coming out of whatever to stop them! The best cop in the world can’t get there until called and usually AFTER the fact!

@Rusty, Yes, then the PD assumes whomever is on the ground was the victim, and whomever is standing is a perpetrator.

Spoken like a true liberal. Totally uneducated about the facts. Justifies tyranny for security. Does not know the difference between “semi” and “fully”. Doesn’t realize there are ALREADY methods in place everyone must go through to be able to exercise their fundamental right. Once the 2A is repealed, new laws will passed until the 1A is repealed. They will begin like this, you must take a non-offensive communication course, pay a fee, register with the state, and only then are allowed to speak in pubic, but only during speech seasons they you must pay a license for each year. If you want to speak freely, you have to pay for another course, pay for a speech license, register with the state, and be prepared to be hassled by the police until they ALLOW you to show them your free speech license.

There’s a serious problem with the logic of taking longer to do a background check. As it is not, there are rules about reporting to the FBI any information that would prevent a person from buying a gun. As it is, while not perfect (nothing is perfect), approval or disapproval is usually given immediately over the phone. How will it work with the state doing the check? First, it will take ten days. Not eight or nine, but ten, by law. Imagine yourself a woman with a person threatening to kill you; will he wait ten days? Are there rules that will force anyone outside the state of WA to provide the information that they must provide to the FBI? No. As for rules mandating safety classes, there’s a real problem. Voting is a right on par with owning a gun. “On par” here means they must be treated the same. In fact, the right to keep and bear arms is the ONLY recognized (not ‘granted’) right protected by the wording “shall not be infringed,” making it even more strongly protected than voting. Do you need any classes to exercise your right to vote? While gun safety is indeed important, so is voting safety. Putting the wrong person in a position of authority is dangerous. I won’t go into your thoughts about hoe semi-auto guns work, except to say you are obviously uninformed on the matter.

I wish I could spell everything right. “As it is not” should be, “As it is now.” “I won’t go into your thoughts about hoe semi-auto guns work” should be “I won’t go into your thoughts about how semi-auto guns work.” Sorry about that.

“If it keeps a gun out of the hands of someone with mental issues or a record of violence” This is literally what the current NICS background check does right now. Lie on the Form 4473 to get around it? Well, that’s a felony. Please educate yourself on current laws before standing behind ‘new’ ones.

The laws do not apply to criminals because, by definition, they do not obey the law. Background check procedures are not the issue. Selfish, political minded individuals who are more concerned about appearance, power, and reputation are more to blame than law abiding gun owners. Look at the Stoneman Douglas tragedy. The school board and sheriff’s department worked hand in hand to “reduce” crime and violence in their district…by deliberately not reporting it. Not by preventing it. If they would have done their job, lives would have been saved. Enforce the many many laws that are already on the books then talk to us about new ones. Until then, it’s all conjecture and emotion. All the stuff that gets good people killed in time of crisis. Think about it.

The 2nd A has no list as to which firearm/s is/are not allowed. It states we have the right to keep and bear arms (all arms, not a select few) and that this right shall not be infringed. That means the 2nd A stands as written, and no other laws can be applied to the owner of firearms. Period. And the right comes from our Creator, so we the people can protect ourselves and loved ones from those whowish to do us harm. The 2nd A only states that our government observes and grants and will not hinder us from this right.

WA. state gunowners need to revolt and not comply on this BS and unconstitutional law. The state has no right to rhinder, refuse, nor strip a US Citizen of their 2nd A right. It’s utter BS. Molon Labe. We Will Not Comply.needs to be the gunowners yell in WA. State.These politicans need to be arrested and charged with failure to uphold their sworn oath too. Immediately. (fat chance)

@JoAnn, None of what you advocate fits my world, or is in the Constitution. The hurry is often damaged firearms on an expensive, repurchased hunt. Wait ten days … your hunt is over you are out the cost of your hunt. It would be an advantage to younger or newer gun owners to have some skills and knowledge of proper safety procedures, but it is not up to government or even amateur tyrants to impose those requirements on We the People. Semi- autos are no more dangerous than my single shot, but are really helpful if a van full of thieves would come out to my isolated ranch, where no help available. You should fear the lawn mower gasoline can, toy drone, or agri-chemicals more than any gun. Waiting periods do not keep guns out to the hands of someone that already has a firearm, has access to a garage sale, or can get a firearm from a criminal. You place too much confidence in government, government surveillance, and libtard theories.

NRA ace lolboomer is a usual bird brain liberal. The second amendment is a personal right.maybe he likes living in a leftist police state.Vote for more left wing liberals bird brain,& see more of your rights taken away.

Good. Maybe stop stockpiling guns and whining all of the time about what victims you are No woman would die while waiting for a gun as protection from her abusive husband. Women who buy guns are more likely to be shot and killed with their own guns. Too many angry scared little men clutching high powered killing machines like it’s their security blankie. Only 30 percent of Americans own 90 percent of all guns. The rest of us function without your firearm sociopathy, ncluding the majority of WA voters. Grow up.

You sound mentally unstable. I’m thankful you don’t own a gun. More than 90% of mass shooters are progressive leftists like yourself.

@LB, the Libtardly Oblivious Lump is just another paid propagandist. He fails to realize that that if everyone in the US was against firearms, except one of us, then the majority could not deprive that one of his firearms. And Lumpy thinks that our lives and circumstances are somehow like his (such great experience and vision). He thinks that he can impose his standards on us. He has the perfect Tyrant/slave mentality. He won’t be back for discussion. Cubicle agitprops, never are. I wonder if he has ever even heard the word republic, much less wondered what it meant.

@L; GEE! You have the Anti-Gunners’ “talking points” down pat. When will you open your eyes and see the world as it TRULY IS!!!!??

“No woman would die while waiting for a gun as protection from her abusive husband.” How would you possibly know this? Research this and you will actually find multiple examples contradicting your claim. “Women who buy guns are more likely to be shot and killed with their own guns.” Prove it. And why do you single out women? That’s pretty sexist… “Only 30 percent of Americans own 90 percent of all guns.” We’re going to need to see your source on this.

Lolboomers- I’m curious… Where do you get your information? I’m asking because I get mine from DOJ studies and the CDC (Yes- they DO keep track of such things. Look it up) and nationally published, VERIFIED reports. – 2051 women were killed in 2018 by their domestic partner. 82% involved either violations of restraining orders or previous history of domestic violence. Manual beatings (punches/kicks), strangulation and blunt force trauma accounted for an overwhelming majority of the deaths. In 98% of the cases, law enforcement arrived AFTER the fatal injury had occurred.As has already been mentioned, an attacker will NOT wait 10 days. – 21 females (on average) are killed by accidental discharge from a personal firearm or one owned by a family member each year.

On the flip side, violent attacks result in injury to the victim only 17% of the time when met with armed resistance and mostly because the victim is caught off guard. Only 3% of rapes are successful when the victim is armed, opposed to 27% for unarmed victims.

Here’s a little homework for you… Check my claims for yourself. Do the research instead of relying biased misinformation. More facts for you to check- – You are over 3x more likely to be killed by the family dog than the family gun. – You are over 100x more likely to drown in a pool than be killed by the family gun. – You are over 120x more likely to die of alcohol toxicity – You are over 6200x more likely to die of opioid overdose (Hey, how’s that criminalization of opioid possession going?) – You are over 1.5x more likely to be struck by lightning TWICE than be killed by the family gun.

EVERY gun control/ban argument boils down to one thing… I DON’T LIKE THEM SO YOU CAN’T HAVE THEM.

As a past law enforcement officer, your facts are flawed! Please state your sources? You are nothing more than a troll trying to get reactions from your personal views and nothing more!

I thought to be law enforcement it was required you know how to read. Had you read Mr. Stewarts comment, you would have got the answer to your question in his second sentence. So Mr. troll @clint I think you are wrong in your assumption thinking you can get a rise out of people by accusing his facts are flawed, when indeed you never bothered to read the comment. And what does being past law enforcement have to do with the price of tea?

there arre documented cases of women being attacked and murdered by their ex whatever he was, during the waiting period mandated by law for getting their Mother May I Card to even own a gun or carry one, and/or the mandated waiting period to take possesion of the new gun they need NOW…. but don’t have because some stupid bureaucrat wants the votes that he thinks results from the “feelz” of hos itiotid gun law.

A right delayed is a right denied. Some women are dead, or have been raped/assaulted, because their RIGHT to arms was delayed by statute.

If 1639 fails to get repealed, it’s time to put a concerted effort for Eastern WA (including some west side counties) to look at secession. Seattle and King County rule the state in voting, making decisions for rural lifestyles they know nothing of, or caring anything about.

I live in Seattle and I also own several firearms, including two AR-15s. We’re on the same side of this issue, but I laugh at the mere notion of an eastern Washington secession. Those counties will go flat broke without the budgetary funds that are created by our taxes in King County.

@Jack ….Better to be broke and free than wealthy and enslaved. And I doubt that country folk will “go broke” anyways. Seattle is a joke. The rural folk through their taxes are paying for your homeless, criminal and drug infested city. Eastern Washington would be much better without you.

Nope. Not even close, not even a good try. The actual numbers posted within the last ten years tell a very different story. All in all, only six counties qualified as “net donors” to the rest of the state—San Juan, King, Skagit, Kittitas, Whatcom, and Snohomish—while the remaining 33 counties enjoyed an average return on investment of over $1.40 on every tax dollar sent to Olympia. The “rural folk” aren’t paying for anything of ours, in fact it’s quite the opposite…we’re paving your roads. Every two years, I sit at the bargaining table with our sibling WFSE locals on the Eastern side of the state; it’s depressingly sad watching these “rural folks” try to defend their opinion-based narratives in the face of actual facts.

Idaho seems to be doing alright on it’s own with an ag and homegrown tech economy, I think Eastern Washington has more people than they do too.

Or just have the Idaho western border moved to the Pacific Crest Trail in Oregon and Washington. Although by forming another state you gain a couple more Senators with brains.

I am a Retired US ARMY veteran. I fought for my country. I used to be a Washington State Resident. I now live in north Dakota, I was thinking of moving back home to Washington, BUT! I will be a criminal because of I-1639. I left because of gang bangers and drug dealer’s. But you people in Washington have criminals in power out there. you need to clean out your State politicians and follow the US Constitution 2nd Amendment.

One day we will all wake up and we won’t be citizens anymore will be slaves to the state that’s where we’re heading folks

This Whole gun thing IS ABOUT CONTROL ! The more that get’s to our politicians, the more control they seem to have over us Hard working Americans. When will people wake up and realize that this is only the Beginning ! When are people going to start realizing that this country was made on what our forefathers have left and taught us. It’s NO LONGER..FOR the people or BY the people…It’s about How many F—–g people we can have as voters ! They announced this morning to giving free healthcare to ALL the immigrants…What about us who pay for it ?? How about our Veterans?? This country needs an enema !!

@C; Very well stated! The (DNC) = DemocRATic National Communist party is well rooted in OUR Government. VOTE THEM ALL OUT WHENEVER THEY ARE IDENTIFIED!!!

here is an interesting scenario..which I’m sure has happened & will no doubt happen in the future….Wife gets restraining order, husband continues to violate said order….wife has CPL, and decides to purchase a handgun for protection. Now, thanks to 1639, she has to wait 10 days…regardless of her CPL. between purchase time & delivery time (10 days, for those of you who forget the little points), wife is killed by violent spouse/ex. it’s a sad day in WA when you have to wait 10 days to be able to protect yourself